The Tosfos is in zevochim 56a. I do not have the full context of the CS, therefore I was not sure wh

מען איז מזייף. It's weird if you ask me. Why not just change what we do, instead of revising the words of the Holy Chasam Sofer ? Which is what ultimately happened - as far as I know. Most people of that persuasion, the persuasion of those who tinkered with the loshon codec of the Chasam Sofer , do not openly do melachos after the shkiah these days, despite the fact that they're fans of Rabbeinu Tam. And despite the fact that in Europe they would. That was changed in America post-WW2. They use it at times when a leniency is needed, just like a Lubavitcher often davens mincha codec post- shkiah, or a Yeshivaman davens shachris after zman tfilloh during bein haZmanim or Chol Hamoed. But I don't think they still do melachos regularly just because they feel like they can. So why then change the text and make yourself צו נאר? The מו"ל here was the Debrecener Rov, zt"l, a champion of the derech HaChasam Sofer , who seemingly was forced to censor. Why do we go so far as to say he was forced? Only because that's the only logical reason why he would do it. He himself would never conduct himself with a leniency such as using the Shitas Rabbeinu Tam לקולא, even if the situation called for it. And he would surely never censor codec his holy Zeide's words. So that's the only reason.
Who decided codec not to follow R"T lekula, after the war? IIRC, there was a meeting or something, and they decided it. Why can't the current poskim just change codec it, just like they did with the BP eiruv? Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:20:00 PM
I am not sure I understand codec this story. Is this a historic document? or is it a new מחאה? Is the חתם סופר saying he paskens like Rabeinu Tam and they removed it from his sefer? If yes, why not remove the Tosfos from Zevochim that quotes Rabeinu Tam? I personally do not know more than one person that would ever do a melocho after shekia even extreme emergency. Tuesday, August codec 23, 2011 11:40:00 PM
Yankel Are you bad on reading simple Loshen Hakodesh, The Cs writes in the chidushim codec not as the Rebinie taam, so they pressured the Debretziner to cut and no paste this is a 40 year old document Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:52:00 PM
The Tosfos is in zevochim 56a. I do not have the full context of the CS, therefore I was not sure what he was saying. The blogger seemed to be saying that he did not hold of RT. Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:53:00 AM
There are certain Halachic issues in our Charadie yiddishkiet of the last 150 years, that facts or contradicting sources don't matter, codec there is a goal and all has to twisted to that subtotal One of those is the Satmar/Klausenburger fight for the Rebinie Taam and only the 72 minute version, they also have a problem with the Ravs Geonim shitah in his Siddur, so they came up with a solution that he never wrote it, it is some ghost writer that put it in there for some unknown reason. It is mindboggling what else is being done to match all the rishonim to their shitah.They are using the Titelbaum codec Pilpul style at all gears, to get everyone in line. But this CS is by all means a cheap shot. Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:52:00 AM
The CS in Teshuvas OH 80 explicitly states that the Halacha is like the Rabeinu Tam even lekula! So it's well known that it remains an noninclusive fact to what the CS actual opinion was. Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:14:00 PM
this is no suprise to me, in belz of today they do it time again and again in their monthly propganda, fact twisting, codec brainwashing, magazine "ohr hatzofohn", there is no edition without doctering edit or change in order it should feed their agenda, no wonder the skver rebbi does not go for it, even though the glogiv rebbi told the skver rebbi and quoted the PR magazine as the source, the rebbi brushed it off. if i would have the time i can go thru edition after edition with their wishfull thinking, i would only do so with the permission of course of r` hershil, who does a remarkable job with sticking codec to truth. in bobov such a thing will never happen, they accept it at face value, they like it or not, they still wont twist the fact. Thursday, August 25, 2011 1:37:00 AM
Bobov Chusid You forgot to mention the huts and the muddy roads in the small village near Lviv. You are right. Bobov have always been very open with their shady-postwar- secrets. Thursday, codec August 25, 2011 8:48:00 AM
Bobobov chusid I Am not today a Belzer chusid but I know Belz very well, Can you atleast provide 3 examples of lies in the Or Hatzufen? Are you just blowing steam? Thursday, codec August 25, 2011 12:28:00 PM
Anon "Bobov have always been very open with their shady-postwar- secrets" Bobov was considered the butt of Jokes in the prewar Galicia not only by Belzer chasidim.. The best word that people could offer on Bobov that it is a good Kiruv group, but as a chasidus or the Rebbe as a tzadik it was the laughing stock. Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:32:00 PM
CGS "See ישראל והזמנים at length about